Arabian Nights Fishbowl 3
Read the passages below, then hit "comment" to answer the questions below them. Take 15 minutes for this one:
"So he drew his scimitar, cut the two in four pieces with a single blow, and left them on the couch....Nevertheless, he could not help thinking about his wife's betrayal, and he kept saying to himself over and over, 'How could she have done this to me? How could she have brought about her own death?'" (4)How would you describe the psychology of male love as seen in these passages? In other words, what does "love" and "marriage" mean to these men? Do you agree with the men that women are full of "malice"? Do you think it's fair for the men to blame the women for having extra-marital affairs and "betraying" their husbands? Take your time on this, and give us some nice critical thinking. Are you seeing ironies and patterns yet? Make sure you include your first name + first initial of family name (example: clayb) in your comment! Always! And feel free to read and respond to other students' ideas: agree, disagree, say what their interpretation "taught" you, whatever.
"So, King Shah Zaman spent the night in the palace by himself. The next morning, after his brother had departed, he left his room and sat down at one of the lattice windows overlooking the garden. There he rested awhile and became steeped in sad thoughts about his wife's betrayal, occasionally uttering sighs of grief. Now, as he was moaning and torturing himself, a secret door to the garden swung open, and out came twenty slave girls surrounding his brother's wife, who was marvelously beautiful and moved about with the grace of a gazelle in search of a cool stream. Shah Zaman drew back from the window, but he kept the group in sight from a place where they could not spot him, even though they walked under the very window where he had stationed himself. As they advanced into the garden, they came to a jetting fountain amidst a great basin of water. Then they stripped off their clothes, and Shah Zaman suddenly realized that ten of them were women, concubines of the king, and the other ten were white slaves. After they had all paired off, the queen was left alone, but she soon cried out in a loud voice, 'Come to me right now, my lord Saeed!' and all of a sudden a big slobbering blackamoor with rolling eyes leapt from one of the trees. It was truly a hideous sight. He rushed up to her and threw his arms around her neck, while she embraced him just as warmly....
"Now, after Shah Zaman had witnessed this spectacle, he said to himself, 'By Allah, my misfortune is nothing compared to my brother's! Though he may be a greater king among kings than I am, he doesn't even realize that this kind of perfidious behavior is going on in his very own palace, and his wife is in love with the filthiest of filthy slaves. This only proves that all women will make cuckolds out of their husbands when given the chance. Well, then, let the curse of Allah fall upon one and all and upon the fools who need the support of their wives or who place the reins of conduct in their hands!' So, he cast aside his melancholy and no longer had regrets about what he had done. Moreover, he constantly repeated his words to himself to minimize his sorrow and added, 'No man in this world is safe from the malice of women!'" (5-6)
[After Shah Zaman tells Shahryar about Zaman's wife's "betrayal,"] Shahryar shook his head, completely astonished, and with the fire of wrath flaming in his heart, he cried, "Indeed, the malice of woman is mighty! My brother, you've escaped many an evil deed by putting your wife to death, and your rage and grief are quite understandable and excusable, especially since you had never suffered anything as terrible as this before. By Allah, had this been me, I would not have been satisfied until I had slain a thousand women and gone mad!" (7-8)
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I would describe the psychology of male love by saying that the men seem to think the women who do wrong or do any actions of betrayal must be killed. To these men, love and marriage means that the woman cannot have any kind of affair with someone else. I do not think it is fair for the men to blame the wormen for having extra-marital affairs because if the men were kind and respectful to the woman from the very beginning, these types of events or misunderstandings might not happen.
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Irisr
The psychology of male love is very simple, in my opinion, because they think love and marriage is samething. In the passage, Shah Zaman get sick by beloved wife, who I think didn't love the man at all. I think men love their wives because then men married with their wives. I don't agree with the idea that women are full of malice. All human nature has malice. And I think how much people are full of malice is not depended on the gender, it's just depended on the personality. It's not fair for the men to blame the women for having extra-marital affairs and "betraying" their husbands. The women would have some sort of excuse to have extra-marital affairs, for example their husbands neglected or ignore them or they just didn't love their husbands at all. And this thing happens to women, too. The men, especially the kings, have extra-marital affairs. The kings usually have more than one wife and that seems they are having extra-marital affairs so men shouldn't balme their wives for betraying them.
Polas
Phychology of male love are seen as if it is the most important and purest thing that can exist. If they see their wife doing such action the male love acts as if the world is doomed. Men think marriage as love, but women really don't think like that.
No, I don't agree that women are full of malice. First, because that is such an anti-feminist quote and I am a woman. Second, not every women would do such thing to their husband. But men think and make decissions on only what they see, which is making the women on the earth bad people and that everyone would do the same thing to their husband and they don't believe in women and marriage, which is love to men. Women would act differently if the saw their husband betraying them. Most womens would act positively and find a new lover or marriage partener and men see all situations negatively as if the world would end. So getting away from the fairness of men blaming women their is a big difference on how women and men see a same situation. But in The Arabian Nights it does not explain that, so it feels as if the woman did a really really really bad thing to the man.
Gihoon S
Since I too am male, I think I might know how they(the kings) feel. I think they were more angry because of the betrayal than of two- timing. But still they were probably angered more by the fact that their wives were having "that"/ sleeping with a slave, or a servant. I think for them, "their" woman means she belongs to no one else. For them I think that their wives are their second greatest treasures, the brother being first.
jessicay
In a way, these men think that marriage is comparable to a purchase. To the men in these passages, marriage is simply a "guarantee" that a woman will becoming solely HIS. So if the woman breaks that guarantee...he's got to get rid of that product because it's just a pile of "malice". Before marriage, the kings should have examined the trust within the individual--the RIGHT reason to commit oneself to a marriage.
King Shah, in this passage, cannot justify that all women are full of malice. There, King Shah just slayed his wife, and cut her into pieces. Isn't that full of malice? In fact, isn't it even more malicious?
IF the men weren't guilty of being involved in extra-marital affairs themselves, it WOULD be reasonable to blame them for betrayal...however they most likely were. A marriage is a promise that two people that can trust each other fully, should follow.
Sunh
Love and Marriaage means that women can't have affairs.
I don't agree that women are full of "malice." I think men are even more malicious. King Shahryar and Shah Zaman both have many concubines. The passage haven't mentioned, but I bet that King Shahryar and Zaman would flirt with those concubines. They flirt with them whenever they want and they can do anything with concubines, and I bet that they don't really spend time with their real wives[queens]. Then how could Kings blame their wives? They could have concubines as much as they want. But they're saying that queen should not flirt with anybody. That's not fair. It's so not fair for the men to blame the women for having extra-marital affairs and "betraying" their husbands, because the men "betrayed" first by having many concubines and having affairs with them.
Younsuk C
Psychology of male love in these passages is biased. The males flirt with many other females and feels no guilt. For them, "love" means spending time with the females on the bed, and "marriage" just means ownage or property. Males treat their wives as their property and gets angry when taken away. It's not fair for the men to blame the women. Women should blame the men. Men are more malice than the women because they just sliced the women for their biased opinion! This is like the Tomkeys story, using the unreliable narrator...
Sharon C.
To me it seems like to these men "love" is just spending or enjoying time with any woman he can find. To them "marriage" is nothing but one woman in their charge. Also, I think they marry because it is a rule or they need son to be on the throne after their death. Therefore, I don't see big difference between "love" and "marriage." I don't agree with women are malice. Instead, I think the men are more malice then women. I don't think it is fair for the men to blame the women for having affairs with other men because men do it all the time. They are selfish to think they are the innocent one who got hurt from their women having affairs. They never thought in women's perspective that they might be hurt as well seeing men enjoying time with other women. Also, maybe, because men were having good time with other women, they could have cared less about their wives. Therefore, this could have led women having affairs with other men. So, it is not exactly women's fault. The men should have cared a lot.
Paul C
In these passages, the psychology of male love is shown as if their only purpose of marrying is to have "relations." To these two kings, "love" and "marriage" mean almost the same. These words mean belonging, propety, possesion. Although I do not think women having an extra-marital affairs is not a good respect to their husbands, the two men's thought are absolutely wrong. You can not judge if a person is full of "malice" or not just by looking at his/her relationships with other sex. Also, it is kind of ironic because while the two kings judge that women's affair is a malign act, they have a lot of concubines. I tried to find a synonyms for the word concubine, and these are some of the synonyms: bedmate, other woman, sweetheart. As you can see, it is pretty clear that the men slept with their concubines. If woman having an affair with one male is full of "malice", then these two men who have tons of girls to sleep with must be king of the demons. Therefore, it is absolutely not fair for the men to blame the women.
The psychology of male love in the passage is the most fundamental thing that still exist today in men's mind: the wife should only be loyal and love her husband. And most husbands, or males, think them flirting with other girls is okay (such as in room salon, etc), but they can't see their wives being loved by another man. Men lead women in love, and women tend to be dependent on men. But when women is cheating with other guy, it just seems like that she ditched her husband and belonged to the new guy. This breakes the trust of 'marriage' and the husband would naturally get angry. This is what the kings felt here, and i think the scene was sort of extreme.
Love to them is a pleasant feeling to opposite sex. Simply. Probably to all pretty women, not particularly to wife. Marriage is just to show the power of men. Muslim world is polygamy, and the more wives, the more power the men had. The wives probably existed to raise the position of men.
Women are not full of malice(some does though) they just have the same desire as men.
It is not fair to blame women for being promiscuous, when men were being dirty too, they're equal. It is fair to blame when the men stayed clean.
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scott r
Men think that love is all about sex and nothing else. They do not care about feelings but only about their pleasure. Shah Zaman did not care about what his wife wants instead he just cut her into two with the man she loved. Not considering her feelings or any opinions and without talking he murdered the woman he "loved". If he truly loved her he would have just let her go with her new love. But as you see that the two brothers executed them.
As you see in the texts it says love when it mentions the slaves that they are with. This means that there love is real and the two brothers loves are just marriage nothing else. To me I think that it is unfair for the men to blame all of the problems to the wife. I always hear kings having affairs with their wife so why not the other way around? Why do the women have to have the punishments when the men do this all the time.
Jin SooC
I would describe the psychology of male love seen in these passages as anti-feminist. Actually, you could look at it from both sides. From the anti-feminist look, the wife could look like she needs another husband so she begins to be greedy and has an affair with someone else but from the feminist look, she could need more time with a guy who will actually spend some time with her and not just go hunting for fun. I don't agree that women are full of "malice" because you can argue from both sides and they kind of balance out. I don't think its fair for men to blame women for having an affair with other people because that would be jumping to conclusions. She could be doing this because her husband doesn't spend time with her that often.
Brian S
All the males in the story never respect women. Women are just people for their sexual life. They even give women as a gift and treat them as a "thing" not "her". I think the queens are simply a symbol for the king not a relationship made by love. "Marriage" looks like a formal relationship which a man should have when he becomes an adult. I don't think these men have the right to get angry at their wife because they everybody knows they never cared about them and that's just a desire to possess. It doesn't sound right neither fair.
minhyom
These men think love is just another part of enjoyment in their lives, entertainment, ecstasy, pleasure, nothing else, maybe the exception of the merchant who was sentenced to be hanged with four other people. That man had different reaction to his lover. But other than this person, every other men were the same to his wife. Marriage would be gaining a new property like a slave, to own and do whatever you like with them, you may kill them if they wish, for any reasons why. They exist only as to serve their husband; is a way the marriage may be interpreted. No woman are full of malice, they just want to be a normal human being. Woman full of malice is a term that had been made up by these men who their women have had affairs with some other man or disobey what he said to do. Beyond whats fair and whats not fair, how about they both don't do it at all. Arn't they not married for a reason? because they love each other? or was it just to go to bed every night and try to make a baby to continue on their family name?
As I thought about it, the men has the most mistake for this situation about love and marriage. There is no sign of respect to the women except they are being used as a sex machine. Most people would want to pay back for what they have done. Which means the wife might had no other choice but to use her malice to get revenge from his husband for treating him in such way. So, I think king was like the full cause for this "malice". The king should ashamed of himself and also needs to criticize about how he will feel if he was the wife. The king should give equal respects to the wife and have some good time together not including sexual life. But, still this is in my opinion.
Hyung-MoC
According to this passage, it seems that the concept of "love" or "marriage" to the man is women's total devotion and obedience toward men. I suppose at the time when the story took place, men didn't think women can have rights to have any opinions or enjoy anything, because that might go against men's wishes.
However, today people try to give equal rights to men and women therefore making us hard to think that women could not have any chance to have suggestions. Since right now we do not look women in negative ways, I don't think women to be so malice.
Also I don't think it is fair for the men to blame women for having extra-martial affairs. Men and Women are equal. Men shouldn't be selfish to think that only they can have extra affairs.
HOJUN J
By reading the story, I figured out that the male love is not an actual love of the women. They may first fall in love with the women and get married, but when the time passes, women turn to man’s possession because some men like in this story don’t treat their wives as humans. In the story at the beginning women were treated like princesses because of their beauty however, later, women are like colorful birds in cages with locks. When the time goes by men start to not show respect, try to control them, and believe that they own their wives. They also straightforwardly get upset by their women’s actions, such as lying on the bed with unknowns, they manipulate with violence or even deaths and they still think that they are always right and women are wrong. Absolutely, I believe that because the women get treated inhumanly they have to have something to depend on, which are other men and this is the main reason why women have affairs with other men and get divorced. To show men that they are not as simple as they think. When I read the story, I could understand why they betray their husbands and why they have extra-marital interactions. I am partially certain because both women and men have their own faults, and most of them are not women’s fault, they’re the men’s. They first treated their wives like slaves and didn’t give them power to stand against men, and that is why they sleep with other men to relieve their stresses and loneliness that were given from men.
Accordingly, the concepts of 'love' and 'marriage' are nothing but a chain around woman's neck. Once woman gets into either love or marriage, a woman has devote her life as a whole to man, whereas a man flirts around with girls. Marriage is just formal here that is done as an adult; man seek for other woman for their own enjoyment after marriage.Though I'm against extra martial affairs, if a woman was married to a man who is not at all interested in his wife and flirts on a daily basis, and meets a man whom she likes, this can happen. The man should blame themselves instead. And to the argument that woman are full of malice, it may vary for each individual. For every individual have different ideas and backgrounds, a conclusion can't be drawn as in black or white. In addition, assuming that women are full of malice will be no more than to regard all women as a potetial criminal.
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WonSeokC
These men expect women to obey and be under control if they are married regardless of women's love to another. In this situation, the women could be considered malice but I do not think it is fair for the men to blame the women because they also betray their wives over beautiful maidens. The irony here is that it is okay for men to cheat but it is not accepted for women to cheat.
JiyeonH
In my opinion, the psycology of male love back then was full of selfishness and desire for conquest. This is proven by the fact that during the story, King Shah Zaman slays his wife as soon as he finds out that she is having an affair with her slave. He does not even have to justify this, as King Shahryar easily agrees with him; actually, Shahryar takes a further step by saying that Shah Zaman had shown great patience in only killing his wife and her slave. Therefore, love and marriage for men at that time just meant that he was to own a women, and that she had to worship him as god; not even dreaming of betraying him.
I believe that Shahryar and Shah Zarman’s statement about women being full of malice is a huge generalization. They only say this when they see each other’s wives having affairs with other men. Therefore, it is very likely that their anger led into a very big emotional state, which made them say such phrase. By the aforementioned reasons, I believe that they are unreliable, and I do not agree with them.
Of course, men blaming women for having affairs when really they themselves had way more than a couple of wives. Nowadays it would be considered crime, as it clearly violates women’s rights. However, in the times where the story was set, it was very normal for these things to happen, and the question of ‘fairness’ was not even to be existed. Therefore, as we are reading a story that was written during the era of ‘men supremacy’, there is really no choice but to say that men back then were selfish and wrong.
Amyk
I would describe the psychology of male loves as somewhat deep but greedy on the other hand. The male seem to play with many girls for somehow but they do seem to love their wives a lot too. This is because Shah-Zaman gets very sick by the betrayal of his beloved wife. A man can be this sick if he loved the woman that much I think. Marriage seems to be done if the male likes the woman as an entertainment, or maybe if the man really loves her. But I don't agree here that men marry when they love only, but also because for the fun of their life.
Yes, men and women are both -"malice". Women should stick with one man she loves, but that did not happen here. Men also enjoy thier time with virgins also. THey are both full of malice; they actually care about their own life, making sure it is enjoyable for them.
This way, even though the men's love might seem deep because they really think about their wives somehow, they are very greedy to blame the woman. If the king has a right to kill his wife for flirting, then the wife could have killed the king earlier because the king enjoys his time with virgins very often. If the king can kill her for flirting, then he is just very selfish for caring about his personal feelings and enjoyments only.
Also, I did mention that female power might be stronger than male' in emotional ways of stealing other's mind. Of course, the sad thing is that female have to hide it. The power which can be seen clearly in the outer view seems to be more to the male, and that is very unfair in a way that males can enjoy out loud when females can't.
Of course, they are both full of "malice" for even trying to have their enjoying time ignoring the fact that they have a husband/wife.
Michelle L
Male love as seen in the passage is not about the love that most readers today would think of. To the men in the Arabian Nights, "love" means something different--sleeping with a woman that they think are beautiful. It isn't about who they want to take care of, but just for the fun of it. "Marriage" is also not about being together with someone they love, but being the person in charge of a woman and just calling her by the name wife. Love and marriage to these men are simply a game, or something to make their lives more enjoyable.
It doesn't seem to be true that women are full of malice, becuase if that's having malice, the men are only made up of malice inside! The women's affairs with other men can't be wrong if men having affairs with women isn't wrong. If that were betraying, all the wives would be betrayed so many times by their husbands.
Lydia K
The love that these men have and the love that we know is different. I mean if you had loved someone would you kill them for sleeping with another man? Love for women is like a term that they sleep with the person often. It is different from family love and the love the women are supposed to get. Marriage seems as if it's something to make the woman his forever like a little toy you can buy. It's probably not fun for the women to see their husbands sleepin with different women. I disagree that women are malice maybe they won't be if the men had treated them better and actually took care of them or even paid attention. It's not the womens' fault if it is then i suppose men would be even more then a malice for what they do with other women.
The king didn't even ask or talk to the wife, instead he just goes and kills her. It's just making it harder for him.
I am confused with the psychology of male love. These passages tell me that a male’s love can be consistent and faithful but also that it can cool off instantly. Their hearts turned into artic ice as soon as they saw the affair of their wife. It’s obvious and understandable that they are mad but cutting their wife into pieces?! That’s really bizarre since if they had loved their wife so dearly, they wouldn’t have slaughtered their wives. It seems like love doesn’t matter anymore after marriage. Marriage seems to have this law that even if you love your partner, if they make out with another person, they should be put to death. It might be themselves that have caused their wives to have an affair. As the story mentions, the king leaves the palace for hunting and traveling which leaves the wife with loneliness. They should have picked a woman without malice, like Sharazhad, to marry. The story itself and the king prove that not all women are filled with malice by accomplishing the marriage of Sharazhad and the king. The pattern seems to be that the king causes the entire problem. Picking someone filled with malice for his wife, leaving his wife alone open for an affair, killing her cruelly into pieces, and then falling into a heartache. This book seems to have a subtle meaning that a woman’s act can vary by how their husbands act.
Laurenl Period G
I am confused with the psychology of male love. These passages tell me that a male’s love can be consistent and faithful but also that it can cool off instantly. Their hearts turned into artic ice as soon as they saw the affair of their wife. It’s obvious and understandable that they are mad but cutting their wife into pieces?! That’s really bizarre since if they had loved their wife so dearly, they wouldn’t have slaughtered their wives. It seems like love doesn’t matter anymore after marriage. Marriage seems to have this law that even if you love your partner, if they make out with another person, they should be put to death. It might be themselves that have caused their wives to have an affair. As the story mentions, the king leaves the palace for hunting and traveling which leaves the wife with loneliness. They should have picked a woman without malice, like Sharazhad, to marry. The story itself and the king prove that not all women are filled with malice by accomplishing the marriage of Sharazhad and the king. The pattern seems to be that the king causes the entire problem. Picking someone filled with malice for his wife, leaving his wife alone open for an affair, killing her cruelly into pieces, and then falling into a heartache. This book seems to have a subtle meaning that a woman’s act can vary by how their husbands act.
Steven N
Like I said earlier, it is men that is making women act all this, because men has kept women the way they wanted. Therefore, women became frustrated with their lack of freedom, and that is why they began to ack "malice".
But even though men keeps their women so secured, i do not really agree of them actaully "loving" their women. If the men truly loved their women, they would punish them or kick her out, but definately not kill them. The act of men simply killing their women for cheating just means, "you're just another dirty whore, i don't need you go burn in hell." Killing their women just shows lack of love, and their marriage seems not important at all.
Shinhee L
This passage was very confusing for me to figure out and outline which is considered as ironies and patterns. The only that I can REALLY notice is "Allah! ...!!" .
I noticed in this passage that the king ( the brother of Shah Zaman) was away from home for quiet along time or he did not spend much time with his wife. After all, the woman is not "malice" because obviously, she wanted someone that loved her very much and someone who gave the full attention to and also, she would have been scared to ask to be divorced. Gosh, who wouldn't be scared of asking .. like anything, if they literally kill their wives? And absolutely no, they are not betraying their husbands, they are asking for freedom and thank Allah , she didn't betray right on front of her husband - otherwise he would've got hurt.
Anywho, back to the question "psychology of male love" . Seeing as the man feeling "betrayer" from his wife, so he did actually love his wife. And through this, I think the men are thinking "wives" as a "must-be-there" like sun flowers, ONLY facing them and thinking about them and loving them. I mean, is this really possible if the women doesn't get anything back except for the label , "queen"?
Love, for them is all about sleeping together. Who really said that his wife playing around with other men LOVE ?
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Dabin L
Unfair it is. Men are better than women. That’s what it is directly saying in these two passages. The kings always have sexual intercourses with other girls, yet no one consider them as the malicious ones, thinking as males having affairs with others are something that is so natural. To me it seems like both kings think that their wives are their properties, not their companions or partners. Their reactions are not what a man shows when he loses his lover whom he loved sincerely with true feelings. Angers and rancors that they showed were more like behaviors that can be shown by a little child when his toys are taken away. The kings’ wives therefore betrayals of wives may have been resulted from both of the kings’ behaviors not valuing their consorts. The king Shah Zamen called women as the ones full of malice after murdering his wife just because she slept with another man. Hmm, what is more malicious, having an affair or a murder?
Anna K
In my opinon, I think "love" mean to these men are just having sex and enjoying each other. According to "The Arabian Nights" it does seem like the word "love" seems to these men by having sex every night. When the word "marriage" comes to men, I think they just marry because the women are just beautiful, it is some kind of "rule" for the Kings that they "have" to marry. Such that, all they do together when they are married is, just doing their own little pleasure and just being together without truly "loving" each other. In other words, these men just doesn't want their wives to cheat on them but always be "with" them. Which is sort of unfair to the women because they want "true love" from their husbands but all they do is do sex and doesn't even share their love with each other, as in "true love." Actually, I don't think it's 100% the women's fault, however the women are doing a bad thing too because they are cheating on their husbands. In other words, the word "betraying" can also be used towards the men too. If you get married, then you should love their wives in respect, and truly love them, however they just sort of use them to please them and don't care about them. But, they "do" care when they "cheat" on them. In result, I think its the men's fault and also women's fault.
sunghoonh
For men, marriage is for sex and for their pleasure. Love is something different, love is something that they really care for, not only for their enjoyment. If Sha Zaman truly loved her wife, he wouldn't just cut her in half cause he would rather care for her and feel kind of sad, not mad and revengeful. Women is like a pet, or tool. Women have to obey the men and men punishes women if they make a mistake or cheat on them. Once woman is married, it's a dog with a collar, it will be treated like an animal
juliar
It seems like "love" and "marriage" is different to men. Love is used to satisfy their desires and marriage as an official declare of loving. I think women are malice in the stories. They had an affair. However, men are more malice for abusing and misconcepts of "women." They should also think about the virgins' lives that they had affairs with. The prositutes will evetually have their own husbands too. Having affairs with poor virgins and only blaming on their wives are the real definition of "betraying."
[Stephanie Y]
Men think love is something that’s going to last forever, and something that they deserve to get without any effort Also men think when they are married they automatically have power to keep their wives under their thumb. While I was reading this passage I thought men are really stupid. God….. they still think wives still love them? They are living with their husband because of conjugal affection, not because they love their husband!!!!!. I think love is the most worthless emotion. Everybody knows that love is not eternal, but despite the fact, people always think they are exceptions so their love is eternal.- which I think is very ignorant. But also I thought men are very naïve. Think about it ! You saw your wife flirting with other man and you also saw your brother’s wife doing something but worse than your wife. He felt pityfor his brother! Do you have time to feel pity for your brother? Your wife did same thing !!!! You are a poor wretch too!!! Also I really don’t like the men’s attitude. They consider or think when women cheated on them they think it is crime, but when they cheated on their wives it is ok. Furthermore men think their love is romance, but women’s love is crime. That’s so not fair! I think it is human instinct to look for man that fulfill their interest. It is impossible to satisfy with one man. Personally, I think I’m can get marry, because I think it is impossible to live more than 30years with same man. That’s crazy!!!!!!!!! Same thing with wives! They are women in full vigor ! And the only man they have is their husband! But when husband is not useful wives naturally look for men to satisfy them. So husbands are the ones who make their wives to have extra martial! Think! When wives are satisfied with their husband, so they need extra martial? NO!!!! Before blaming their wives, men have to recognize that this is embarrassment. It show that they don’t have ability or skill(?!)That is the reason why men can’t blame their wives! Women are full with greed not malice. Men are the ones who change greed into malice.
Lynnh
I agree with jessicay's idea that "men think that marriage is comparable to a purchase"(a quote from jessicay's comment). The kings did, in fact, treat women as if they were pretty dolls that they could give out as presents, enjoy time with, and expect total obedience. The men threw them out(or in this case, killed them) when they betrayed the men without even stopping to think "Have I been so loveless to her? What caused her to act this way? Is there any way I can fix this problem?" Marriage doesn't mean true love and commitment to these men, it just means that they get to own women.
Women aren't full of malice. To clarify, because every human have both good and bad natures, it is not neccessarily women that should only be considered malicious. I agree with the men that having an affair is wrong, but I cannot accpet their concept of putting all women under the category of 'malicious'.
In my opinion, men wholly blaming the women for having extra-marital affairs isn't fair. There must be SOME reason that the wives felt isolated enough to have an affair.
The reason might have been the kings' apathy towards the women.
However, I also think that women could be blamed for this matter as well. If we hypothesize that the kings were very close to their wives, and truly commited to them(I noticed that there is not a lot of description on the relationship between the kings and their wives)
then the betrayal should be blamed on the women. In this case, the women have ignored their husband's love towards them and moved on to another man. To sum it up, I think this depends on how the women were being treated by the kings.
SarahO
Psychology of male love and marriage is like your very own xbox 360. They love it when they first get it and believes that they will never set their eyes off of their new toy. But over time they play with it less and less finding new games and toys to play with. But they still play with the xbox 360 when they feel like it. But when they see their friends playing with THEIR xbox 360 they freak out and dont want them touching it! It's all "my way or the highway" for these men. Women arnt full of malice, its just natural that women will get tired of their husbands as well. It's just such a bigger deal for the wife to cheat compared to the husband, its deffinitly not fair. Men can go around sleeping with anybody they like but once a women starts to. OH NO, her heads going to get chopped off.
stacym
In my opinion, I think love and marriage is a similar meaning to men. They are done by both their selfishness. Love, is for their own desires and pleasing their own desires by finding women. Also just spending time with them on the bed. Women are thought to be like a “thing,” where they can play around with it. To men in this passage, marriage seems like it is something they have to do whether they like it or not. They think marriage as not a holy thing, instead something you can commit and after, and being not responsible about the woman. They just might commit marriage not because they truly love the woman, instead to rule someone over the name of “man.” I don’t believe that women are full of “malice” since men use women as their Barbie dolls to please them selves; they can also throw away that Barbie doll if they are sick of it. I think it is not fair for the men to blame women for having affairs, since it is men who have affairs, and stay still, when they are jealous of someone playing with their Barbie doll which is acting like a six years old kid who just got his Barbie doll taken away. I think in all the stories, because it is a story telling and it is said in different perspectives, the stories might change if the narrator changes, or if the readers change their point of view. They all kind of hear anti- feminist to me which means the narrators are probably men?
Men think of love and marriage in serious and in a deep way at the same time seem like something to satisfy them. They had given trust to their wives. I bet that’s why they might have felt more disappointed. From the story they point out the wives as beautiful women. Maybe they fell for the prettiness. I don’t agree with men with saying that women are full of malice. Just because two women betrayed their husband doesn’t mean that all the others are the same. I don’t think men should blame women for betraying their husbands. Maybe the women have reasons; I’m not saying that women did nothing wrong. Also if the women knew that if she got caught having affairs she will be put to death. She probably loved the guy she was with. Also the king Shah Zaman probably had many other women. They didn’t give their wife much respect. They treated them like sex machine. Probably that is what marriage is about to men.
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ChaiyoungL
The men gotta learn to be happy with what they have. It seems like with so many other women, their wife should be considered no different from the other women they have. If the wife betrays them, who cares? They can probably order another women to be his wife. Although the men do have the right to call their wives full of malice for secretly loving other men, it wouldn't make clear sense to condemn every women to have be called "bad". Still, dude, it's like saying "I get to kill you if you make one mistake, but I can make as much mistakes." However, that's just one view. Imagine the wife you married, who was sworn to bound to you always was secretly loving another man and you found out. It's not all about what's right and wrong, but sometimes strong emotions may seriously do something wierd.
jeank
The psychology of male love and marriage is rather selfish then of the female's. The males think that it's a given for a woman to only have sex with her husband. While this, the males are allowed to have sex with other virgins. For this reason, it is very unfair for the men to blame the women for haveing extra marital affairs or believing women as malice. This is a form of sexism while men and women should be treated equally.
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